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Carl Haydt

 

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 Finally had two whole days without rain here in PA so I managed to get some color on my newest Red Devil and begin assembling it.This one is a little different design then my other two but still is an interesting design & I can't wait to see how it handles on the track. :)
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 Hi Carl.

I'm not familiar with these.  Comparing the 1st photo to the last photo, the angle between the upper & lower frame rails appears different.  But, it looks like both rails are welded to the front axle, so I don't know how the angle could change.  In the last photo it looks like there's some sort of rubber mount connecting the upper & lower rail.  True?

What type of racing was this built for?  What era?
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 Doug,You are correct on the angles of the upper and lower frame rails being different in the pics. In the photos where the frame is being painted I had them spread apart so I could spray the underside of the tubes easier. In the "assembly" photos the rubber bushings are installed and that bushing is the only rear connection between the upper and lower frame rails (the front is welded to the axle)

That means the seat & steering column are able to move somewhat as the rubber bushings connect them to the top frame rail that mounts the rear axle.
The rubber bushings do not have a thru bolt,the bolt & stud on each end are not connected.

I am not sure of the production year of this one but know it's newer then my other two as this chassis has the later adjustable steering column & seat back.

I'm not sure if Tom K. knows the production years of these? Tom?

This is a road course chassis as the front axle is not offset.
Gotta get it together by the end of the week as I'm going to take it to Paul on Sat so he can make some upholstery for it.Should look great when I get it back! :)

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 September 1970 Karter News has a feature article on the Red Devil enduro twin. Looks about the same except for the seat hoop.
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 Got this reply from Ken Northside via a pm as he is having a problem signing on.Thanks for the info Ken.

Carl I have the same model I was told that the model is RD-2 made from 1968-9 to 1971 mine was a very original but had 4-5 coats of paint on it. the seat pan is fiberglass on my kart. If you want some pictures let me know. I found the rear frame mounts at MSC they had 2 or 3 different hardness of them. I need to get mine off the shop wall and get it put back together. For some reason I couldn't register at the old forum tryed 2-3 times. Looks good Ken

Dan,You wouldn't happen to have that issue that you could scan that article for me would you?
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 I race all type red devil they all handle well but one twin sprint that was a beast we try to run b-stock on it but never could get it to handle
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 no idea on the year...definitely different from the one i worked on
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 red devil RD-2 1968-1971?

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 http://www.lostenduros.com/?page_id=116 red devil test

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 It's a very clever design, now that I understand it a little.  The chassis is rigid, although your butt, and the steering wheel, ride on an isolated frame within a frame.

Probably gives a little bit smoother ride on bumpy tracks... although... I wonder if that "filter" just might interfere with the ability of an expert karter (NOT describing myself!) to "read" the handling, etc.

I'm sure Carl will let us know!

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 Gary Hartman ran one successfully, so I 'd say no.
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 Carl any head way on the Red Devil
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 Hi Ken,
Yes and no,lol
I did manage to install the front tie rods and rear axle & sprocket BUT after looking at the pic of the Red Devil you posted I realized that the ugly piece of flat stock with the holes in it that was crudely welded on the RR of the frame (that I removed) WAS the bracket for the swing mount! OOPS!:eek:
So now I'm at a crossroads as to what to do. I can re-install that piece but I don't have the original swing mount & the swing mounts I have don't mount the same way OR I could just use the swing mount I have and fasten it with a bolt & rubber washers thru the frame.
I also think I'm going to copy the diamond pattern on the seat in your pic,I kinda like that Carl
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 Dan,Thanks for posting that pic.
I'm suprised to see they list the sprint as coming with Azusa wheels.I would imagine they would have been the Tri-Stars (it looks that way in the ad?) The kart in Ken's pics has Nylites.
The"enduro" chassis looks like it has Margay 24 series wheels?
Guess that's what I'll be putting on mine as soon as I get around to restoring it.
Note: Thanks to Chuck for sellin me this one! :)
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 Carl looking at the pictures of the front axle it looks like you used brass washers in between the spindle C and the axle the 2 Red Devils I have had Torrington bearings at that point.
as for the swing mount the one on my later Kart looks to be an Azusa mount. I will post some pictures of the seat pan and upholstery. ken
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 Ken,Yes the washers are actually thrust washers but unlike the Torrington ones these just have the appearance of being a brass washer.
Looking forward to you posting pics of the swing mount and seat for me to "copy" :) Thanks!
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 Swing mount seat pan upholstery

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 made fo fiberglass

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 back of upholstery

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 RD-1 enduro

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 rd-1 rear

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 Ken N is correct.  His mount came from Azusa.

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 carl, you are still missing one. the sidewinder version. i can help you with that one also. let me know. i'll post a picture tomorrow. and i can't remember the mount on my red devil sprint that i had years ago. but i do remember the mount had a bright chrome finish. could have been an azusa but chromed.

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 Chuck Giacobbe wrote:
carl, you are still missing one. the sidewinder version. i can help you with that one also. let me know. i'll post a picture tomorrow. and i can't remember the mount on my red devil sprint that i had years ago. but i do remember the mount had a bright chrome finish. could have been an azusa but chromed.

that's the same kart that i fixed for frank
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 tom, you are right. there is no difference between the rear engine and the sidewinder except for the offset front axle. i believe if i center the front axle on this kart and add a swing mount it would be identical to the rear engine red devil kart i had as a kid. the original red paint still shows thru the black bomb paint.

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 Chuck,Can you get a better pic of the rear area? Your side plates where the rear axle mounts looks bigger then the ones on my sprint karts.
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 carl, the rear hanger plate measures 7 3/4" wide by 5" high. why don't you show what a pretty rear engine red devil looks like. since this forum got wiped out there aren't many pictures for reference.

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 Chuck,I lost alot of my pics too when my old pc became a vegetable so these are all I have.
Your side plates are definitely bigger then any others I have seen.
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 Ken,no progress to report on the Red Devil as I haven't had the time as keeping my 4 Foxes race ready every week plus helping Rodrigo get his Bronco kart ready for Avon has kept me busy..............not to mention THIS THING jumped on my trailer Wed nite and followed me home...........I think I'm going to keep it!

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 Al Peckenpaugh wrote:
And another

that kart is in my trailer right now
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