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1960-61 gilson excalibur thread
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 Posted: Thu Jun 23rd, 2011 05:44 pm
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Ken Bohannon
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Looking for a Gilson Excalibur Jr in any condition. If you own one, or have even seen one, I would enjoy hearing from you.

My uncle was plant manager at Gilson Bros. in the early 60's and I remember walking the plant floor as these were being built.

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 Posted: Thu Jun 23rd, 2011 05:58 pm
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That's a cool lookin' Kart!

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 Posted: Thu Jun 23rd, 2011 07:20 pm
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I thought is was a kool looking kart too. It was designed by fabled Wisconsin auto - industrial designer Brooks Stevens. I found a little bit of info at http://excaliburjr.com/

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 Posted: Thu Jun 23rd, 2011 07:23 pm
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WOW new pix.

i've never seen any of the gas tank which nobody has as far as i know.

I WANT TO TALK TO YOU.

i have two gilsons =>not for sale<=.
i know of three in one other place and another in pa. and that is it.
they are an extremely rare but beautiful kart.
ANY info you have we need as there is almost none around.
ANY pix would be Awesome too.

as far as finding one i am willing to help but they are rare.

is your uncle still with us??
if so anything he can tell us will be great.

P.M. me with a number and i'll send mine.

dave :cool:

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 Posted: Thu Jun 23rd, 2011 09:42 pm
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Thanks Dave. I figured this is going to be a hard one to find. I had the Gilson Concession model when I was a kid. It was of a tubular steel construction but still had the styled nose, a Briggs and pretty crappy tire pad friction brakes.

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 Posted: Thu Jun 23rd, 2011 11:29 pm
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maybe you could explain my blue gilson.
it has bolts instead of rivits holding it together and the front axle is steel not aluminum.

my pix are too big for here i'llpost a link to photobucket so you can see them.

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Dave, My uncle passed 10 years ago, he could have answered a lot of questions for you. I did stumble  on your post/pics at rearengine karts. The blue kart is one of the first produced. This is how Gilson roto- tillers and snow blowers were assembled, lots of bolts. They had to invest in the tooling to do the rivets for their karts and snowmobiles. These were only in production 2-3 years and from what I can tell they were under constant revision. They did briefly have a factory racing team and they made design changes from their input. I noticed several differences between, your white one, the photos of Bob Towanricki's and the one in the 1961 brochure, mainly the throttle - brake linkage and the frame support around the rear axle. I am wondering about what looks to be some sort of adjuster behind the R rear wheel on Bob's Excalibur 5 photo.

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 Posted: Fri Jun 24th, 2011 06:23 pm
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Notice the frame support upgrade behind the brake.

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who hooo am on a mission from God.
saw a add for a kart am going a loooong way to get it.
looks like a gilson excalibur.
will give report tonight late.
bye bye
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bwaaa ha ha
got another one and a possible lead on another near the guys house.
on the bad side i'm single handedly making them less rare!!!
heres a pix of my first one.


this wart looking thing on top of the car is tonights purchase.
the potatoe digger motor and the rollbar and seat gotta go.
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my newest goal is to get the other one the seller told me about.
then maybe i'll have two that are the same.
so far my first one is bolted together which is correct with a steel front axle.
my second one is rivited together with an aluminum front axle (also correct).
my third one (tonights purchase) has a steel front axle with rivited body.(also correct)
the pedals on it are completely different from the white one.
will post pix comparing the two.
dave:cool:

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if you're refering to the first pix it has the upholstorey that's original plus two gopower rims.


the second blue one has:
  1.  pedals i'm missing.
  2. 1 and 1/2 of the gopower rims are mint condition
  3. tub is in better shape than the blue one on the wall.
  4. brake and linkage are intact but hidden inside the frame tub.
  5. there's a steel motor mount on the axle not sure if it's correct.
  6. front axle is repeat of the steel axle on blue kart.
worse case i can part out one and build two nice ones from three.


dave:cool:

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 Posted: Wed Nov 2nd, 2011 10:33 pm
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damn...i hope that's your wife's car...! :shock:

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nope she gets the nice stuff.
why??
because she says so and i like living!!!

that car a buddy of mine gave me.
of course i helped him out a bit when he had trouble becoming a U.S. citizen but still it was nice of him.
the truck just costs too much gas to go driving hundreds of miles for something.

having got a chance to compare the three karts i'm pretty sure i have a fun kart in this one.
the axle holes were covered in the back and placed lower giving it more ground clearance.
same with the front.
it has a bendix brake in it and the tractor seat seems to be possibly original.
as gilson built lawn movers that wouldn't be unusual.
the biggest tell is the steering is a drag link on this one.
the others have a single rod left and right.

i'm gonna make a seperate page for the gilsons on my photobucket page.
depending on what i decide i may sacrifice one to build the other two.
seems a shame but at least two will get back on the track.
dave

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 Posted: Thu Nov 3rd, 2011 12:08 am
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Jees Dae, between you in Conn. and Steve in southern NY, both of you seemingly without real jobs,lol, and willing to travel 100's of miles, I don't stand a chance of finding something cool. Just ribbing you both, but I do seem to be stuck inbetween the 2 of you. Either of you get any snow last weekend? LOL it just missed us to the south and east. Don't fret tho, we'll get our10 feet of Lake effect before march. We always do.  Real nice findtho, Dave, love those alluminum tub karts.

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john ..     funny you mention it ..first off c,mon ur killin me ..!! :D seemingly without a real job ..!! 3 business ,325 acre farm ,and work on karts all day ..i just cant seem to find time for a real job ..!!!   Lol  yes the day i was doin somethin but not at a real job ..i went to get the ol percival from greyhound it snowed so hard i almost turned back but 8 miles up the rode it was 40 and sunny all the way to rochester .i dunno what all that was about ..P.S. john about 50 -60 miles north of you hit up couple them towns where race tracks used to be ..

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 Posted: Thu Nov 3rd, 2011 10:31 am
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Steve, I know, I was just funnin with you and Dave. You both do work hard and hard at finding these little gems too. As for north of me, are you saying you know of something and that if I look in the right place I'll see it? or just a suggestion as to where to look. Speaking of that,my Cates did come right out of Clayton. Maybe I should go back there and ask around. Thanks for the tip.

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JOB????
what the heck is that.
i think that's where you go every day to get a check weekly.
NOPE don't have one of those i WORK for me.

used to have a regular job hated it.
all these people working at looking busy or being in charge.
not much of anything actually happened.................

Accch to much stress already!
this is a hobby site so i think we'll just talk about hobbies here!!!
dave:cool:

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john when i was still doin the vintage snowmobile races sandy creek,tug hill,parish center,(boonville is hot)  ..i used to find stuff everytime i went there ..got to find real old gas stations ,buisness,ect ..also i find more stuff at modern races than anything when you go to points banquet talk to everyone .!! 99% of people that race modern karts they and there familys been into it for yrs .lotta times these deals dont come over night ..i been looking into 3 karts a few miles from me the old boy passed away 3 or so yrs ago i been kinda feelin things out since .. im close very close ..also its weird sometimes the harder i look the worse i do then other times stuff just falls into my lap... i just hooked up with a feller who had a west bend on ebay i ask him if he had a go kart sure enough ..then theres the guy with a kavella kart leaning up against his barn i been after for atleast 3 yrs ..its like 4 miles from my house .!!

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 Posted: Thu Nov 3rd, 2011 04:55 pm
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It seems to me it is harder to find karts in the south.

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